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And those are questions asked in the very serious and formal environment of a grand jury. a granden jury that's preparings part of a criminal investigation for the possibility of charging people with crimes. >> so, carol, in you piece you describe two tracks of investigation in y your report. a track leading to potential seditious conspiracy charges and obstruction of an official proceeding on the one hand. and then anotheroc relating to fraud relating the fake elector scheme. do we know which track the justice department gathered more evidence and information on, leaningre particularly one wa...

That's theua meeting where trums only lawyer to tell him the plan was legal in the meeting concedes it is illegal for pence to carry out this scheme. and that's what the prosecutors are asking these two very senior white house officials about. that's really means that this -- the prosecution and the investigation is very far along and hasig pierced all the way through into theon white house d some of the most important meetings. >> quick last question, 30 seconds left, merrick garland spoke to lester holt earlier today, said we're going to prosecute whoever is responsible. do you have confiden...

Republican chairwoman and handed it off. he want herd to talk about the fake elector scheme. so his hands are in this. i presume that the department of justice will be thorough and find perhaps even more evidence than we have found. >> so some are suggesting, including my guest in the previous segment, ryan goodman, your committee helped push the doj in this direction, there's been action because of hearing. "the washington post" reports they received key officials and phone records including mark meadows april before the january 6th public hearings started. what role do you think your committ...

Prosecutors. and just today, on top of that block buster reporting from the post, we have this new reporting from "the new york times" which obtained some trulyew damning emails among trump campaign officials relating to that fake elector scheme.al you'll recall the way the scheme was supposed to work. various states that biden won signed fake and in some cases forged elector certificates for trump, purporting to be the real and true electors from that state. in other words,d claiming that trump won their state when he did not. then they sent these fake elector certificates to washington with ...

Election. joining us now is member of the january 6th committee, zoe lofgren. thank you for joining us. i have to get your reaction to this washington post story that the justice department is investigating former president trump's actions as part of its january 6th criminal probe. >> well, i was as surprised as i think you were. obviously the department of justice doesn't report in to the january 6th committee. all we know at this point is what we read in the post article. however, it's very clear from the evidence we have presented that the former president bears responsibility. he summoned ...