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Has been detrimental to science. and it s not just the nih leadership. it s the broader scientific community that decided in a really antiscience way, that there was only one way we were going to let people think about this. they were concerned that if this thought this may have come from science in a laboratory, that, that would harm science. and they were trying to protect science. martha: did they think it would harm science? or did they think it would throw shade on them and their relationship that the nih and funding and money that went to these experiments, you know, juicing up these viruses, coronavirus in this lab? well, there is no question that there is that complicating factor, also as you know as this research was funded by the nih, but i really do believe that the ....

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