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Real goal behind this was a fear of hurting science and the power of science and the ability of science and what it can contribute to society. in reality, they accomplished the opposite. i thi science has been very harmed by this. and i think, you know, i'm still going to be an optimist that the scientific community will come back to embrace the principles of science and have a rigorous debate and use science to unravel the origin. i think if you look at data that we have and presented some of it, there is a lot of data that has been gathered over the last two years that really point the hypot...

Scientific hypothesis, somehow had to be put down and veered as conspirators. i have firm belief that science eventually will resolve and solve this mystery of the origin of covid. in order for science to do it, we have to embrace science. and what we saw here in these e-mails is really about theatrical to science. >> the question is, why? why would dr. fauci and dr. collins as i asked him in that interview, wave everyone off the lab theory. and you can see them talking about doing exactly that in these e-mails. why didn't they want people to think it came from the lab? >> well, i think their ...

Pathogen that came from nature. now we have to worry about a pathogen from the lab or nature. >> do you think dr. fauci should be fired? should he lose his job for not recognizing this side of the equation? which is very serious and led to serious ramifications around the world. >> well, i hope tony would reflect on this and provide the science leadership that we need to move forward. i'm not going to comment. i have a lot of respect for him over the years. i think he needs to step back and not try to second guess and make things the way that he thinks the world can hear. we should just tell t...

Somer into intermediate species. that this virus clearly had a detour and that detour was being educated on how to infect human tissue in the laboratory. i think the problem i have with the e-mails and everything that we've just seen, everything that brought up which is so important, is really about set call to science. the purpose of science is to have rigorous debate about different hypothesis. i have never experienced in my life where there was private telephone calls among scientists that had a decision on what position they would take collectively. and to see that position published in a ...

Suspicions of a wuhan lab leak are suppressed over concerns that public revelations of chinese involvement would do, quote, great potential harm to science and international harmony.