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Be debating what we do from here. for example, this whole thing about race and bussing. i think if you take a look, our positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> it was senator harris who says she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> well, look at my record. >> i don't think bussing is about policy, mr. president. i think it's about principle. when you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of bussing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed. >> i was in favor of...

As we're finding out. >> senator harris said she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> yeah, well, look at my record. >> i don't think bussing is about policy, mr. vice president. >> no it's not. i think it's about principle plp. >> you were not in favor of bussing. why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed? >> i was in favor of bussing. the court ruled there was a law passed or circumstance that county, a city, a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, that's wrong. you should bus. i said i used helicopter if that was necessary to ma...

Record. >> i don't think bussing is about policy. >> no, it is not. >> it is about principle. >> when you look back, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time and different applications and why not just own it and say i was in favor -- >> i was in favor of busing, if the court ruled there was a law passed through circumstance that a county or city or a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, then that is wrong. you should bus. he went so far in the middle of that busing controversy to say i use helicopters if that was necessary to make the point. and we got in...

They've done and not done. i'm not going to go there. if we keep doing that -- what we should be debating, what we do from here -- for example, the whole about race and bussing. i think if you take a look, our positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> senator harris said she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> yeah. look at may record. i don't think bussing's -- >> i don't think bussing's about policy. >> no, it's about principle. >> when you look back, you were not in favor of bussing. it was a different time. there were different apoliticians. why not own it ...