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Policy, mr. vice president. it's about prescriptiinciple. when you look back at your record you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time, why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed. >> i in favor of busing that was dej dejure. if a court felt it was a county or somewhere, that's wrong. i even went in the middle of that busing that said i'd use helicopters to make the point. we really got in a town meeting that got very hot. but what the issue is now, for example, and it was then, voluntary busing. we supported it. we supported then. barack and i as vice presi...

We supported it. we supported it then. by the way, barack and i as president and vice president we provided money for voluntary busing for cities that wanted to do it. >> i'm saying when you look back in the '70s you said i think busing doesn't work, it's an asinine concept. >> busing did not work. you had overwhelming response from the african-american community in my state. my state is the eighth largest black population in the country as a percent of population. they did not support it. they did not support it. look, the question is how do you equalize education in every area? and i put for...

President and vice president, we provided money for voluntary busing if cities want to do it. >> i'm not questioning any of that. i'm saying when you look back in the '70s, you said i think busing doesn't work, it's an asinine concept. you tried to pass bills that weren't for it. >> busing did not work. you had overwhelming response from the african-american community in my state. my state is the eighth largest black population in the country as a percent of population. they did not support it. they did not support it. look, the question is how do you equalize education in every area. and i pu...

Record. >> i don't think bussing is about policy. >> no, it is not. >> it is about principle. >> when you look back, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time and different applications and why not just own it and say i was in favor -- >> i was in favor of busing, if the court ruled there was a law passed through circumstance that a county or city or a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, then that is wrong. you should bus. he went so far in the middle of that busing controversy to say i use helicopters if that was necessary to make the point. and we got in...