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>> we will get into that. >> that can be a problem. so he wants to bring in joe digenova, who he knows and admires. former u.s. attorney. smart guy. dowd had a problem with that, not only because he didn't want to be co-counsel but also because he believes, i was just speaking with another source, that he was conflicted. digenova is conflicted here because he represents a former spokesperson for the trump legal team who left the legal team in a not friendly way. his wife represents sam clovis, somebody else who has been part of this. i don't think dowd felt he could find his way around these c...

People. we know that but i agree it's not exclusive to the republican party. that makes people very nervous when you start talking about something that doesn't feel inclusive. >> when i reported juan in the election of 2012, that barack obama was going to win, i don't know whether you remember this moment. we came on at 8:00 and i said okay ba that has got it because the country has changed. and the voting patterns have changed in many states. and then immediately i was a racist. o'reilly doesn't like that. i was just reporting just saying the truth that's a fact. dowd is noted reporting he is...

We know that but i agree it's not exclusive to the republican party. that makes people very nervous when you start talking about something that doesn't feel inclusive. >> when i reported juan in the election of 2012, that barack obama was going to win, i don't know whether you remember this moment. we came on at 8:00 and i said okay ba that has got it because the country has changed. and the voting patterns have changed in many states. and then immediately i was a racist. o'reilly doesn't like that. i was just reporting just saying the truth that's a fact. dowd is noted reporting he is testing...

I agree this is unlikely to be super cleverness by ty cobb and mike dowd. >> you think it's incompetence? that was the binary choice. >> ty cobb is a very experienced washington lawyer. he's sitting outdoors at blt steak where there are a million people coming around. >> next door to "the new york times." >> he says at the top of his lungs, my guy is innocent. we want to cooperate with the special counsel. >> so you think ty cobb saw ken vogel and -- >> i think ty cobb, even if you dont see ken vogel. >> doesn't mind being heard. >> this story helps trump, let's be honest. we can all talk abou...