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Is long-standing precedent that the states have the right to impose vaccine mandates. so this is a new issue. there's certainly skepticism. i have not heard the argument about the health care worker case, so i can't assess that. >> it's just starting. >> yes. it's just starting, so i did hear from skepticism, but it's not clear because this is a matter of life and death, and osha is a powerful administrative agency that has done lots of things. >> let me play for you what the ohio solicitor general argued about saying the mandates are too broad, and i want to get your response. here's what ben...

In the past. and so there are arguments to be made still about whether the federal government has this power. though, i think it is a stronger argument in favor of the biden administration. >> any unintended consequence to osha's power long-term if the supreme court says nope, you can't use osha for this? >> i don't think so. this is an unusual mandate that's under the powers. other mandates have been long-accepted having to do with other workplace hazards, so i don't think osha will be gutted by a negative decision. >> gotcha. professor from case western university, appreciate you coming on. ...