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Howie,pointer is going to say, oh, it wasn't about -- networks don't have to be. the the fairness doctrine was repealed in 1987, and they're simply reflecting what they feel the balance of their viewers would stand for. as for all of these people protesting judicial attacks and things like that, yeah, that's going to be somewhat of a side show to the real issue, and that is going to be do you believe that abortion is a right and women's privacy to make these decisions is a right or do you feel that pregnancy and termination of it is so abhorrent that you would make sure that -- howard: well, g...

And i can't believe that that it could take, in fact, 50 years. >> the willingness to trade off women and women's rights for people's own personal political views is sickening. howard: ben, do you believe that most of the mainstream media have framed this draft opinion and, ultimately, the final decision as an outrage? >> for 50 years, howie, the media has been recording inaccurately about roe. they've done so, i think, in large part on purpose in ways that have completely distorted the debate about this subject. the vast majority of americans, i think, are surprised to learn -- as they've bee...

Scant presence of the pro-life views on this matter in a country that's divide on this issue and whether a plurality of americans, if not, you know, a significant number of them, are of the opinion that roe should go away or that there should be some limits on abortion is absolutely abhorrent and unacceptable. it's -- on an issue that is this divisive in the country, you deserve to have both voices present and with -- in ways that are balanced. howard: and on that point -- >> and we have not gotten that. howard: some fox shows have had both pro-life and pro-choice advocates on the same program...

Detaining. roe is under deep threat. so that is what the difference is now is that people are seeing when you're talking about these legislators, these democratic candidates out there speaking because i don't think roe has ever been under threat the way that we see it today. let's not forget what happened in november where women really gave a big, huge win for democrats, not just in the house, but across the country. so there's an understanding that women are standing up, they're running, they're speaking, and we have to listen to that base. and so this is what we're seeing. we're seeing women...

Legislators, these democratic candidates out there speaking because i don't think roe has ever been under threat the way that we see it today. let's not forget what happened in november where women really gave a big, huge win for democrats, not just in the house, but across the country. so there's an understanding that women are standing up, they're running, they're speaking, and we have to listen to that base. and so this is what we're seeing. we're seeing women rising up and making sure their voices are being counted. and i hope more women run. but this is where we are today. we are in a pla...