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Extraordinarily good campaigner on the stump. he gives a hell of a stump speech. everyone that sees it is impressed. the question, can he go beyond that first stump speech? how does he perform in debate? in interviews? all of those things are unnoted. he's never faced national scrutiny like he's about to, but he'll go back to the texas record and a lot of people will say if you get up close, that the texas record is not as good as he claims but in a lot of case wes look at the state records from 30,000 feet and from 30,000 feet, texas has produced more jobs than any other state in the country ...

About, fields the excitement in south carolina and iowa in particular, it will be effectively for the time being a two-person race. >> what do you make of it? two-person race? boxing out bachmann by getting in on the tea party side? >> well, as mark said, we'll see how he performs. has perry is, what he embodies is the possibility, you talked about the different wings of the party. we talked on the show about different brackets, about about establishment bracket versus a populist anti-establishment tea party bracket. perry has the possibility of a being a bracket buster. he has real appeal to ...

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