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They go through these austerity measures. >> and i would even disagree with you in that because the debt is so large, i don't know that there's any amount of taxation or austerity that will resolve, it much as it was going into world war ii, which is why i continue to come back to my call, and i'm not the only one, the ceo of dow chemical, i can start listing people, who are calling for a third marshall plan. the difficulty that tracy keeps referring to, however, is the fact that one -- is that each country has a different point of view and each institution has a different point of view as to ...

Aig? i'm pretty sure there's been a template for this not working. that's called the united states in 2008. so while it may kick the can down the road for greece right now, it sure as heck sucks for greece and the eurozone for the next four to five years. it's just -- this does nothing to solve their long-term, systemic problems, nor ours, frankly. >> and it's interesting, we're in a conversation earlier this week, susan, where more and more people were talking about the need for a third marshall plan. that randomly solving greece or randomly solving america or randomly solving portugal or ita...