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You know the story. what do you think explains that incredibly different takeu on what's been happening? >> i think some of those voices want weak american leadership. when i was looking through the mueller indictment friday, steve, i was looking at it and it struck me that the hacking and the things that were done was a third-rate operation. so if putin approved that, to me that's the ultimate sign he totally didn't respect barack obama who was president at the time and barack obama was a passive president. trump is willing to lead and buck the foreign policy elite. the foreign policy elites ...

Arsenal, they would be a country that would be wielding far less influence on the world stage. if they made progress there, i think that is the number one reason why you would want to engage with russia and perhaps to do it. but you have to do that from a position of strength and make putin know that there will be consequences if they continue to behave that the way that they did when obama was president. >> what did russia get out of this high-stakes meeting? >> i don't know what they got out of it. i think putin, if you look at the opera duration that they did with the spearfishing and the h...

We've depended on for peace and progress. you know the story. [laughter] you can't the together but what do you think explains that incredibly different take on what has been happening smart. >> some of those voices want to week american leadership, not strong american leadership. when i looked through the indictment on friday, steve, i was looking at it and it struck me that the hacking and the things that were done was a third-rate operation. flat america that into me, that's the ultimate sign that he did not respect barack obama was president at the time and barack obama was a passive presi...