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>> a couple weeks ago about poverty in rural areas. i can use your same analogy and say why do poor whites continue to vote for republican when's they've done nothing for them? if you want to use that analogy. i has nothing to do with it. this guy was shot 20 times and all he had was cell phone. you cannot look in the camera is that talk to millions of people watching the show right now and tell them there is nothing wrong that. please tell me that's not what you're saying right now. >> i am not for one second saying there's nothing wrong with that and this may have been very well a cop acting...

Staff who can educate him on how hurtful some of the comments are? >> i think the default position is, in general, we default to the side of the cops and we believe them. that doesn't mean there aren't bad apples. at times they commit horrific crimes. when they do, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. as they did in this case, that should be the result here. that doesn't mean that we should somehow ignore to me the far bigger issue, which is not cop violence against minorities. it is minorities, violence upon each other. >> you can explain to me what that has to do with ste...

Black? it's stale police issue. i don't know why you keep bringing that up. it has nothing to do with this story. absolutely nothing. >> what i'm saying, again, i'm not talking about the particulars of this case. >> that's what we're here to talk about. that's why we invited you on to talk about this. we didn't invite you to talk about that. >> i don't understand why we -- >> i don't understand why, i get that we have to have opposing sides of the arguments. i'm a conservative. i don't know why we bring people on these networks had a stay most utterly ridiculous things like everything steve ha...

Inappropriately. >> you're missing the point. >> i'm not. >> we're talking about the president of the united states giving. >> i give cops the benefit of the doubt and so does the president. >> no, no you miss the point. the president of the united states is giving one story -- one group of people attention while choosing not to give another group of people attention. each of them happening in a city in the united states of america. >> steve can i tell you which this bothers me? when donald trump ran for office he went to one black community and said that the previous administration democrats ...

But i'd like to talk about sandra duron in los angeles, a hispanic mother also killed by a criminal illegal alien who was five times reported. >> you're going down a rabbit hole. stop, stop, top you're going down a rabbit hole. we're not here to discuss black on black crime, not hispanic on hiptic not wyatt on white crime. people living in close proximity of each other kill each other whether black, white, green or purple. i'm talking about the press secretary saying they couldn't weigh in on this issue because it's a local issue. here is what the president said a disgraceful case in the kate ...