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It is a very difficult process in virginia as well as in washington >> democrats don't play by those rules. essentially there's been a lot of conversation right now about how democrats check themselves on race. they check themselves on sexual assault on how that is not something that the party stands for. justin certainly wants to protect himself. he wants to defend his good name. but i think it will come to a point where he is going to have to decide whether this is hurting the party at large, the party that wants to win in 2020. and i think there's a lot of distraction as it relates to the s...

Drive the economy without government control. if you look at all of these policies, tax policies, regulatory policies. democrats want control of the policy. they want to remake it in their image of what's moral. they hate the fact that entrepreneurs don't play by those rules. they create, they innovate and has nothing to do with washington, d.c. that's the real issue here. and that's why they are pushing policies that are all about centralizing power and decision-making in washington, d.c. ed: that's what taxes are about, too. it's piggy bank. green new deal. medicare for all. >> i mean, they ...

But washington has insisted you go forth, all in, and then we will follow. that's not working. >> yeah. and that dynamic, north korea is not playing by those rules, right, because this promise to take down the new clear facility they kay comes only with corresponding measures by the u.s. side. north korea hasn't specified those measures yet. and that also does not meet the u.s. standard, right? the u.s. is saying you have to take concrete steps first. >> jim, you're right. it is a very significant side. so when they said they would take it down, it is very significant. but as you said, they ha...

>> yeah. >> because there wasn't, in my opinion, there wasn't a cohona in that group. >> and also all of them behaved in hawaii that con froformed tot the standard debate was. trump doesn't play by those rules. he plays by his own rules. he understands television and he has no sense of decorum about what he says, and that in ha weird way gave him ha big advantage. just turning to obama for a second, how much of that was routed in race, in your view? >> i think a lot of it was based in race. do you remember, i know you remember, when you had obama won and you had some of the talk radio people a...

Decimated. that's an internal feeling, and he will attack back harder, and he said that many times, i am a counter puncher. if you challenge my value, i will challenge yours. >> john kelly, mattis, tillerson, they don't play by those rules. why do they sdo that? >> he is the president of the united states. they have no choice but to go along. you can see with tillerson, who you were talking about earlier, what is going on behind the scenes is teeth grinding and anger and frustration. you know, it's very seductive to be in that role, to be in any of these roles in the cabinet or close to the pr...