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Special counsel and against the witness that the losing witness moved with alacrity, which i had to look up. it means cheerful speed. and with authority and that the judges have responded with accelerated rulings and briefing schedules. we know that judge katsas, trump's former counsel and nominee has recused himself and this sealed legal matter will come to a head in the weeks just after the midterm elections. trump's lawyer jay sekulow denounced the piece. the report in politico is completely false he said. there's been no subpoena issued and there is no litigation. joining us, msnbc legal a...

Piece, the thought piece, kind of what have we learned? i'm reminded the "state of the union" was tuesday night of this week. what have we learned here come friday night? >> well, i'm just struck by, of course, the situation where we have a president of the united states basically at war with an fbi that's run by his own appointee and a justice department that, again, is run by his own appointee. that's rather extraordinary. even during watergate i don't think we had nixon in public bat battle with the administration as we have seen. and people around the country, they're worried about this. i...

>> he said look, i gave some documents to a guy who maybe later turned out to be a spy. they were innocuous documents, something that anybody could have gotten. but isn't that sort of how it begins? >> the russians are expert at this. right? you start saying give me something that is not sensitive, some lecture that you have given, some newspaper article you have written, and of course some thought piece. and you establish the idea that he established information with me, and perhaps later this can be more later. they're very, very good at it. >> and jeffrey lord is taking criticism, and cutti...

Hallmarks of a classical russian espionage operation. they've identified somebody that looks like he could eventually be in a circle of power, perhaps close to a president at some point. they started this process years ago. taking a look at him, seeing if he is the right kind of person to be essentially a spy for russia. that's not to say that he accepted that proposal or that it even went very far. but i can tell you it looks an awful lot like all the russian operations i've seen targeting american citizens who might eventually be in positions of power. >> it's interesting, because carter pag...