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Society. even after january 6, we started seeing thread information from individuals who didn't go to d.c. who lamented that they hadn't been here, and had articulated that it would have gone differently had they not -- had they been here. and so there's a lot of people out there, not just who you saw on january 6, that are of like mind. and i think that's probably the broader picture. >> well, he went on to say that authorities need to identify people who are mobilizing from radicalization to violence. and still ahead right here on the show, an airline pilot is under investigation after he ...

Hill or they are in federal law enforcement and the sense i had from every conversation is that there was nothing specific or credible at least initially they were saying to me that there was a threat to the boston marathon. however, one of the things that's happening right now is they are going back to that thread information to see if something had been missed. but, again, you have the sense that people were somewhat blindsided by what happened in boston today, shepard. >> shepard: all right, catherine. when you say blindsided, sometimes when they are blindsided, that could mean that this is...