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Stop these guys before they got to that parking lot considering one of the guys, simpson, has been on the radar since '06. >> you're right. you have basic intelligence here that's raised by this phenomenon of individuals that participate in this jihad but never met an isis or al qaeda member. as an intelligence professional, these people don't give me a vulnerability to look at. if they are communicating with isis central, if i'm picking up on those communications, that's a clear vulnerability. if they sit in a basement in texas saying we want to buy kevlar and get weapons, there's little vuln...

South vietnam. but as a result of that they lost and they were slaughtered by the u.s. and the south vietnamese forces. what happened subsequently is most battles that then occurred in vietnam were u.s. and south vietnamese forces against north vietnamese regulars. but what happened is the perception was, is the vietcong were everywhere. oh my dear, they can get to every location and they set the tone of the engagement. that's what we are seeing now. possibly in iraq. >> and phil, we all remember benghazi with an american ambassador murdered. now you have the first isis attack directly against...

Five kids that have gone to the tribal areas of pakistan for training significant problem, but compared to what we're looking at here when you're talking about thousands of foreigners going, i can't imagine sitting at the threat table today. we saw that yesterday, i can't imagine compared to looking at five or ten, now saying now we've got to follow a couple hundred. that is impossible for a security service. >> pretty terrifying as you say. thanks to both. and next the volunteer deputy who shot an unarmed black man and he speaks out. you're going to hear him say, sorry, it was an accident. th...

This video is said to be from the turkish border area with syria. let's talk about all of this with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd who's joining us right now. let's get back to brennan, very sober, no mission accomplished declarations. this is going to go on for years and years, you heard him say that. i assume you agree. >> i think you've got to look at where we started years ago. when we sat at the threat table in 2002 for example, we knew where the target was focused. we had been surprised by september 11th. but the focus of the operations we had were in the tribal areas of pakistan...

Problems here. i sat at the threat table every morning when eric holder became attorney general. there were only about 12 of us. he has to think of the thing you mentioned, volume. in my old world, three people, five people, that's a lot of people to follow. you talk about dozens or hundred whose may have received training overseas. that volume issue is significant in the terrorism world. the second issue i mentioned is time. we're in 2014 now. what if this goes into next year, the year after? the war in syria is three or four years old and you expand to 100 kids, 200 kids. that combination of...