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The time it reached them. this virtually guarantees they will have a controversy to try to litigate and rule on in october. >> phil mudd, when you look at the proliferation of terrorist attacks that we have seen this summer alone, we've seen them in manchester, in london, all of them being perpetrated by european nationals or in the case here in the u.s., the pulse nightclub attack by an american national, explain the rationale for banning people from these six countries when it appears the most compelling threat now is coming from within our own countries. >> there is no rationale. this is no...

There are over a thousand in this united kingdom. i would guess this is a highly symbolic target. the finsbury park mosque has changed its leadership in recent years. but the fact is, trying to put yourself in the mind of the perpetrator, why this mosque. i would submit it is because of its well-known, high-profile kind of -- the fact that it's hosted quite a number of islamist militants in the past. >> well, he is alive. they will be able to speak to him. hopefully that curiosity will be satisfied. how about the how here, phil? we said this is the third, fourth vehicle-motivated crime of this...

Saudi arabia. >> that's not what he's talking about. >> he needs to take a chill pill. i have been at it longer than he has. i have sat around the threat table. people in america need to have a cold beer and realize, there is a general threat that exists because there are isis followers everywhere. that is different than saying we have people we have identify thad want to take down an airliner. >> tom, does everyone need a cold beer and a chill pill? >> yes. i agree with bill on that. you know the fact is we could be. we could be talking about this by noon today there's been an attack and some...

We had another individual last week to blow up the george washington bridge. i anticipate you'll see more and more arrests as we lead up to the fourth of july holiday and that's to get these people off the streets so they can't conduct a terrorist attack. >> the advisories from authorities don't point to any active plot against the u.s. homeland but they do say the islamist terrorist threat is the highest it's been in years. how possible is it? with us here is phil mudd, the cnn terrorism analyst, former cia counterterrorism official also jonathan gilliam from new york, a former fbi special ag...

Fundamental change in the way counterterrorism works. if you're at the krib kribcia or fbi threat table, you're looking at a place like pakistan mapping across the united states and advising fbi state locals et cetera periodically a player on your turf turf. transitioning, across america, new york california arizona, a spread's al qaeda ideology beyond a few cases and we have a plea from the fbi director saying be my eyes and ears be, we can't focus on a few isolated plots from one core place in pakistan. >> so much is being done on social media and in enkrichtcrypted technology evan said. >> ...