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Means. shannon: couple of sticking points there, one is the most basic about the understanding of what infrastructure is. secretary pete buttigieg says it should be all encompassing because if people can't work, they can't travel the roads, they can't use infrastructure. how do you guys define this? can you get to some middle ground on that? >> we disagree on the definition of infrastructure and we've been working with the president to bring it back to the physical core idea of infrastructure that we've worked so well on in the past. whether that's roads and bridges, waterways, ports, lead pip...

Of conversations with both of you, i've been waiting for the presentation of the defense. now i'm convinced we'll really never, ever see one. i wondered will it be, well, the call wasn't clean entirely but it wasn't an impeachable offense. will it be that the election is looming therefore why would we get rid of him now. would it be the president ultimately owning holding up access to the oval office as well as the aid instead it's really a throw everything at the wall strategy and hope there's sufficient confusion to rally the american people for an idea that he deserves to be impeached. >> y...

Investigation, should they potentially expand the impeachment inquiry beyond ukraine, or should they stay focused on just that one issue? would that be a mistake to expand? >> yeah, so i'm a proponent for picking sort of a middle ground. i do think it would be a strategic error to just kind of throw everything and the kitchen sink in and try and impeach president trump for every single grievance and really using the impeachment process as sort of a way to express policy disagreements. i think that would be a really bad path to go down. on the other hand, sort of pelosi's argument that they sho...

Impeachment inquiry beyond ukraine, or should they stay focused on just that one issue? would that be a mistake to expand? >> yeah, so i'm a proponent for picking sort of a middle ground. i do think it would be a strategic error to just kind of throw everything and the kitchen sink in and try and impeach president trump for every single grievance and really using the impeachment process as sort of a way to express policy disagreements. i think that would be a really bad path to go down. on the other hand, sort of pelosi's argument that they should just stick to the ukraine scandal i think has ...

Is the underlying issue, politics and wanting to be re-elected. which is all predicated on this economy? >> sure, look, this is a president who is worried about success. and always has worried about being seen as a success. he talks about losers with d derision as you know, and we're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning. and his calling card is someone who is able to manage the economy. when you see these trends. it's worrisome, and what donald trump is trying to do, i think, is throw everything up against the wall to convince the american public and perhaps himself that t...