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Volker is very different. this is all i did. ukraine was sort of like my baby. i tried to shepherd that policy in and really believed in it. then we see sondland come in and sort of throw knives into that policy and change things around a bit. >> the other key point about volker tomorrow who will be in the afternoon, last week we heard from three witnesses, none of whom had direct interaction with rudy giuliani. he was a spectural presence that haunted their lives. volker on the other hand we know has direct contact. it's the first time someone who is pulled into the irregular channel, as bill...

Tried to distance himself saying it wasis only a piece of what i did and it wasn't that important to me. where volkerrer sa says this is did. ukraine was my baby. i tried to shepered the policy in and i believed in it. and then we see sondland throw knives at that policy. >> last week we eheard from three witnesses. rudy giuliani was a specteral presence th pr presence that haunted their lives. volker has direct contact. this is the first time someone pull under to the irregular channel will be sworn in. >> that's exactly roegt. volker really can bury giuliani and sondland can bury trump himse...