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So he is is not communicating with the world. you want things between him and law enforcement negotiators. they'll try to send a robot up there with a throw phone, that's what negotiators call them. they can do that with a cell phone or hard line. that phone will only talk to negotiators. then they can block out with other tools, block out the cell signal. he will be isolated to just talk to negotiators. then they'll listen to him, use the negotiation skills to listen to his ranting. going to be a guy that talks a lot. they constantly talk. i watched his live feed, almost all of it. he is a pr...

Contact so you can negotiate. we do that with a throw phone. we can throw them a phone or in a case like this it is delivered by a robot. so you have to maybe negotiate through a sign. that you hold up, we want to send you a phone. and you have to get his agreement to that. but they may already be on the cell phone. communication is established, what is his grievance. what is his demands. what is his emotional state. what is he trying to accomplish? what was his target, kris. it's obviously not where he is because he was trying to be stopped by the police, capitol police or metropolitan police...

You and i talked before. we don't contain and negotiate anymore. those dog day afternoon 1975, the bank with the throw phone and, you know, sitting there patiently trying to -- >> they're coming for you. >> you have to move that doesn't mean you go in shooting but move to interduct the threat. these instances usually last between five and seven minutes. in this instance you're trying to figure out a couple of things. what type of weapons are they using? are we equipped? we know one of the officers was struck in a bulletproof vest. that will stop a handgun round, they're not designed to stop, y...

Poise, the purpose. >> well, you talk about how we're becoming so much more familiar. for law enforcement this started 28 years ago with columbine. it's been 20 years. the term active shooter wasn't used before in our parlance. if you talk to a 7-year-old they understand what an active shooter is. listening to the police officers, every law enforcement officer that's been involved, the calmness they exhibit the right there keeping the air clear meaning people can't -- step on each other. somebody speak, it cuts out other important things. you got to get information quickly and responding offic...

But your point, milissa, is excellent. this guy might have went there, he had no plan to egress. in other words, he might have went on a suicide mission. but we have the ambivalence of suicide. we know about this as negotiators. we know that people want to kill themselves but they might not kill themselves. we even might have saw some examples of that in paris where some of these attackers might have wanted to kill themselves with the vest and didn't. so suicide, even though you're certain going into it, may not be the thing you want to do at the moment when you really have to do it. and so th...