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And a huge investigation lies ahead. but grant, what we were talking about earlier with the situation and we're wondering how, you know, the police got in there and what are they doing? what is your reaction to what pete williams describing with the vehicles that were used to haul people out, create distractions and supposedly ram the buildings? are those -- are those tactics that you're familiar with? >> very much so. now we speak a little more freely about what i believe is going to happen inside there. the s.w.a.t. teams will go into that room or into that building when they knew they had t...

You know, shot. all of these things were scenes of violence. so we would talk to the people. and of course the tactical teams and police officers on patrol all knew that. planned parenthood and other clinics do take security precautions. they do have usually some kind of door buzzer or security or plan to lock, plan to barricade, watch who's outside. the subject of demonstrations when those are peaceful there's no problem. but if they turn violent, you know, they're prepared to deal with that. >> jim cavanaugh, as always, thank you so much for your expertise. you are absolutely invaluable in s...

But your point, milissa, is excellent. this guy might have went there, he had no plan to egress. in other words, he might have went on a suicide mission. but we have the ambivalence of suicide. we know about this as negotiators. we know that people want to kill themselves but they might not kill themselves. we even might have saw some examples of that in paris where some of these attackers might have wanted to kill themselves with the vest and didn't. so suicide, even though you're certain going into it, may not be the thing you want to do at the moment when you really have to do it. and so th...