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In south bend points up what it means to be in charge of a city. and in charge of a challenged city that's got a lot going on. and i welcome the fact that i might be the candidate who or one of the candidates who gets the most questions about race, because this is something we need to talk about, wrestle with, and act on as a country. and i think that it's not just the fact that this administration has brought a lot of issues around race and racism into the open that maybe were beneath the surface. it's the entire american project depends on whether we wrestle down the problems of systemic rac...

Poor and the most disadvantaged among us. go ahead, tim. >> on the electorate it's a popular thing to say oh, well, the problem is the republicans just need the racist vote to win. my theory on this is this, everybody is kind of a little bit racist. we are fallen creatures. we judge other people by lots of standards. one of them is race. politicians both thomas e kwien us and st. augustine talk about how the law and our leaders end up shaping our souls. politicians can either bring out the best in us or emphasize the worst in it. so our leaders can make us more or less racist. i don't want con...

That's the conversation, and i'm not being polly annish. this is the conversation we're going to have to have as a country. >> i think you're right. but there's an operative phrase you used in setting this up. that was good faith. >> good faith. >> and this is the problem with our politics. a lot of folk link or identify conservatism with racism because they don't think we're engaging each other in good faith. tim brought up school choice. school choice is tethered to brown v board. >> i totally disagree. >> this was -- >> totally -- >> let's talk about the facts. when we begin to think about ...

Some of it will be what are our policies. emphasize how they help religious racial minorities and immigrants. the second part is reorganizing the policy priorities. >> we were talking about what an important article this was. you and i are going to have disagreements on the size and the scope of the federal government and what the federal government should do. i would tell you if you're talking about starting 100 federal new programs i would say let me show you evidence of how this does not help the disadvantaged in the long run if that's all we're doing. and if the left and the right aren't y...

Have a great way to keep in touch with you. organizing at this stage is about relationships. we need to know where our supporters are, and we're going to ask our supporters to reach out to others have who haven't been included in this campaign yet and build that base. >> and you can find out about their rescue dog. i have several. mayor pete, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. still ahead, it seems like a no-brainer. apparently it needs to be said. quote, it's time to create a conservative eco system that doesn't welcome racists. tim carny is here. >> an important statement ...