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If you pass the aisle, you're politically dead. one of the things we have to look at is are there facts to support that? now, i've never run for office or faced voters. it's easy for me to say. but when you look back at the people who decided to defy their party's basic conventional wisdom, you find their political futures were not automatically pushed to the side. >> one of the things that i wonder, tim, about all this, is you have this extraordinary -- trump's own officials saying look, we were pressing the ukrainian government and trying to get this quid pro quo. it seems to me pretty compe...

February 24th, 1868, andrew johnson. december 16th, 199 8, bill clinton. december 18th, 2019,, donald trump. these are the three impeachments of american presidents. joining me are three historians who have studied presidents who have been impeached or almost impeached. annette gordon reed is the author of many books, one called andrew johnson. tim neftelli is a professor at nyu and a cnn presidential historian. and john meacham is a contributing editor at time. he's written the introduction to "the impeachment report". it details the house

We're seeing it right now, there was a line of thought, they took it more directly from monteskew. there was a study of it in the months before the constitutional convention. what they saw was that we had to make things incredibly difficult to do because we we were as human beings more likely to do the wrong thing than the right thing. and the fruits of that system, however frustrating it might be to one side or the other at a given moment is something we're seeing right now. >> tim, you mentioned something that basically most of the processes have been seen as tarnished except nixons, but you...