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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:44:00

Matter what you do, there s always going to be that spectre hanging over you. it was several months into the relationship before tim finally revealed his ugly secret. he was a felon that spent more than a decade behind bars, not a navy s.e.a.l. but a violent one-time pump. the self-described escort king. i said, i have been waiting for the right time to tell you this. she was flabbergasted. i think that she became frightened of me. why didn t you shake hands and call it quits? because i loved her. karen s friends and brothers say she told them she was afraid. when she tried to pull away from tim, brother mike says those fears were quickly borne out. did you ever hear evidence she was not being treated well? yes. and she called me and said that tim had choked her and i felt like after that conversation that i had convinced her to file a police report. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:55:00

Moment for you. it is. death penalty cases can sometimes take a torturous path in reaching a courtroom. this one had taken four long years, and despite building a strong circumstantial case, prosecutors did not have a murder weapon or other physical evidence linking tim permentor to the stabbing. dudley clapp was tim s defense attorney. you have a complete lack of physical evidence no bloody fingerprints, no bloody footprints out the door. but prosecutor lowry was confident about the evidence he did have. frankly, i think circumstantial cases are ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:46:00

Initial interview i was out of there at 7:30? well, his fingerprints were on that box. and you had a receipt saying it was delivered at 8:48. yes. so he has now put himself right there at the scene and right there in the last crucial hours of her life. it s a poor set of facts? for him. and then tim s timeline, his alibi took another hit. he first said he was home when he called his friend george after 9:30. detective nelvin found evidence proving otherwise. once we get the phone records back and the cell tower site locations back, we are putting him at her house. so the tower is catching him in a lie? absolutely. his 911 phone call in the morning, it hits off the same tower he was hitting off when he called george at 9:36 the night before, which is directly north of karen pannell s house. they could only think of one reason for him to lie about ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:16:00

Be painted as a bad guy right away because of his sorted past. so he promised to cooperate in every way possible, and the cops took him up on it. i allowed them to photograph me. removed my clothing. i allowed them to go to my home. take anything they wanted. there was nothing about his clothing, his car, his person that led to us believe that he was involved in any other way than he said he was. he came over to see her, found her and was devastated. tim permenter s alibi checked out. police dismissed any clues pointing to a home invasion. after all, karen had been stabbed 16 times, an attack so ferocious, it could only be a crime of passion. now the detectives were desperate to figure out what their biggest, clue of all meant, those three letters written in blood. roc. this is a creepy scene. i mean, you got this scrawled in blood message saying this is my killer. i m now dead, you find this guy. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:07:00

not on a friday night. she had to go in work the next day. after saying good-bye, he said he ended up spending the night with friends, about an hour to the north. is he saying anything, he can t do it? i know boyfriends are figured suspicions, i want to talk to a lawyer? no, he s being more than cooperative. while tim says he was off with his friend, there appeared to have been a frenzied struggle at karen s house. forensic specialist, anna cox, assessed the aftermath. she put up a heck of a struggle. what are you looking at? she had defensive wounds, the way her body was contorted. i just remember thinking, she put up a heck of a struggle. she really fought for her life. do you think oh my goodness or have you seen anything different at this point? ....

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