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Said take jim jeffords because jeffords on his most liberal day was more conservative than the most conservative democrat in vermont. haley understands. haley knows it's about winning. he knows how to win. and by the way, he helped engineer '94 along with newt and some other people. he knows how to elect some pretty conservative guys. >> right. >> despite his record in some races last cycle, karl rove has a pretty long record of winning races, too, and understanding the buckley rule. nominate the most conservative candidate who can win a general election. >> he did it in texas. >> what's that?...

About -- you all remember nickel mines, the shooting there, which was actually a handgun. it highlights -- and that was, i don't think, had the emotional force, the impact that newtown did because it was amish, and people didn't have a complete connection. but i go to lancaster county all the time and drove by that school all the time. that was a horror in lancaster county. and the mental health aspect of this is just as important. that doesn't mean you do nothing. the conversation continues. tom, stay with us. reverend al sharpton, you'll be back later this hour. thank you. coming up next, ...

Fights on the periphery. we've got to narrow our focus and get back to first principles, and if we don't do that, the republican party's going to be in the minority for a very long time. >> joe scarborough from "morning joe," i like "afternoon joe" too. thank you very much. >> i like your time slot a lot better than ours, actually. 1:00's okay. >> try it some time, sleep in a bit. >> i'd like to. coming up next, the gun lobby reacts to the president's proposals and that nra ad. plus, biden, bloomberg, and gabby giffords. there's a trio inside "time's" special edition on gun control. this i...

Officers to protect them. how many armed adults are protecting our children right now at their schools? it is not a sanctuary, and that's the magnet that is attracting criminals. that's why when you see the mass shootings over the last 20 years with the exception of one, they all occurred in gun-free zones. that's because these guys don't want to shoot up a police station or a gun store or a gun show where guns are going to be pointed back at them. they want to be the only one with a gun. >> we have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming in. >> thanks so much. next, the gun fighte...

Giffords. richard stengel is "time's" managing editor. tell me, do you think they can change the conversation and actually get something done, or is this going to be sort of blowing in the wind? >> i think newtown, andrea, really did change the conversation. it was so heinous, so disruptive, so disturbing that people have started to look at gun control, gun regulation in a different way. i think the administration, i think the three gun fighters on our cover believe that they can now marshal the great middle of america, even the majority of legal gun owners in america for common sense regulati...