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The last six months that we have been talking about is that as president and as a white house, you don't want to get in a situation where your membership, your republican members on capitol hill are coming to bat for you, defending you, to have the rug pulled out from them later. that's what happened, for example, with the situation involving the president's lawyer where the president's lawyer asserts, the president didn't have anything do with this. you have republican members say that and defend the president. then later open it's found out that that's not true. that's a problem for a republ...

President donald trump. your reaction? >> i'm as clueless as you are. you got two people saying different things. i will let you and i guess the large audience figure out what was what. i don't know. i wasn't privy to either conversation. >> okay. does it give you pause that this is even a question? >> certainly. i think that's the bigger issue you are probably raising, which is the president has said a lot of strange things, at times things that weren't accurate. that begs to the larger issue of trust and that's something that i think a lot of people in this country are struggling with. >> ar...

Things. it's the ending of the honeymoon period. i think it's some of the president's own actions that has brought this about. it's interesting. it was a fascinating piece a number of weeks ago talking about how trump may do more to advance article 2 powers within the congress than any president in recent history. congress has been something of a lap dog, whether a republican or democratic president, to what the president proposes. his point was given some of what the president has done, you will see an increasingly assertive congress in saying we agree here but we disagree over here in ways t...

Supporters won't leave him over things like that. >> that's interesting to juxtapose with the republicans who are willing to do that. jeff blake with his column. we will have mark sanford on later who has been critical of the president. how far do republican lawmakers go in john's words, is this a bullworth moment ahead. >> there's a part of the republican base that's still very much behind donald trump. that doesn't translate when you are a republican member of congress, maybe a republican senator like jeff flake. you see increasingly two things. one is that there's a lot of falloff in the re...

Junior and now the white house makes it clear he did? do you trust the president of the united states? >> you know, i guess it's trust but verify him. that was ronald reagan's term. i think for all of us at policy makers, any statement, whether it's in the president or anybody else that we deal with in the supply change of legislation, it's important to trust but ultimately to verify. >> ronald reagan -- >> he was talking about the soviet union, the evil empire. are you saying president trump is -- >> i'm not. >> do you trust the president of the united states as much as he trusted the soviet ...