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Biden and democrats can do. >> right, you know, it's kind of a funny situation where, you know, the progressives that i talked to basically want to say curse you joe manchin but also there's the unique idea he keeps control, he has held a seat that trump won. and so if they didn't have joe manchin in office, democrats wouldn't have power in the senate. so basically because he's a moderate and he is choosing to push certain positions including on key democratic agenda items like the election reforms bill, he basically is holding power over these legislative priorities. and if he's not onboard t...

If she supports this strategy. is this adding additional strain on top of her votes to support the articles of impeachment the way pelosi is executing this? >> well, sure. this last bit -- look. much of it. many members of the democratic conference under nancy pelosi who are very uncomfortable with this vote and have political problems that stem from it or political challenges, shall we say. this last bit of it is no exception. i think of this mostly as a timing question. when -- not if. when does nancy pelosi want to send this over? by what process does she want to sort of make mitch mcconnel...

Won't get hip in the senate. if they don't do the thing correctly in the house, they never get to go after him again. on any of this. he will romp on this and say i have been cleared they couldn't impeach me. we're done. she knows she's got a one shot to make it work. the timing question is let's not the advice she's getting correctly is not rush into this. rather to do it in a measured sensible way that does more political damage to trump over time. than a one and done. >> maybe i'm reading it wrong. you disagree? >> completely. it's absolutely awful politics. the one thing i agree, you can s...

Strategy now is because we understand after almost 4 years of donald trump in american political life that you can't shaum the shameless. you can't use moral suasion against this guy because he doesn't have any morals. if you're going to go after him, you best get it. and in this case she knows she gets one shot at all this. if she blows it, they won't get him in the senate, which is a huge factor here. if they don't do the thing correctly in the house, they never get to go after him again. he will romp on this and say i've been comletely clear. they couldn't impeach me. year done. so she know...

Actually authorized it, was involved in that and tried to stop the investigation by offering pardons, you show the american people the precedent with regard to nixon, you show them what the constitution says, then you begin to persuade the majority, the overwhelming majority to support. >> there is a link, i think, to what neera tanden mentioned, the introduction of sweeping reform legislation, public financing, automatic voter registration, ethics rules. people see this all as a response to the attack on our democracy. again, it's part of building a public case that has a broad consensus -- >...