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>> and andres, the tobviously, don't want to talk about anything inappropriate so use your judgment. the pope mobile is open on the sides. in the ideal security world, he would be completely encased. >> think about it, anderson. in the security world he wouldn't be doing this. there is again the optimization. you cover the front which is the strongest danger and leave open the side and put people on the side. most of what we did and do is to protect him with our bodies and i think that's the close, you know, the close protection. a lot of the protection around, like in st. peters square, there...

dozens of people around him who were not. >> i want to bring in two people with experience protecting presidents and the pope alike. former secret service agent and swiss guard and professor the at the catholic of america. andres, thank you for being with us. how difficult a job is it giving close protection to the pontiff when, especially, it's somebody known for wanting to be there with the people ? >> yeah, the swiss guards are used to this so i can't really compare it. i've never protected a president. this is an everyday thing. the security for a holey father is not the same for a pres...

let him be the pope anymore and we don't do that. >> dan, from a secret service stand point, it's obviously a different kind of priority. the priority i'm assuming the secret service would go on is security. >> it's a unique problem with this pope, anderson. if i had to triage the issues, it would be his randomness. the president of the united states has a threat level. he's not random. when we tell the president, if the president wants to stop at a lemonade stand and look, we set that up in advance. nothing jumping out of the car randomly. this pope, i respect his bravery for putting his ...

Tens of thousands of people both here and later at the basilica and if you think about it, anderson, the only time we saw something like that generally with the president is during his inauguration. in recent weeks, many barriers ejected and light poles and fences removed to look like a relaxed setting while maintaining strict limits who could get close to the pope. >> that extends in many cases to invited guests. >> it does and this is quite the thing to see. think about it when he was inside some of these buildings and these are all people inv invie -- invited to be here and if you look clos...