tens of thousands of people both here and later at the basilica and if you think about it, anderson, the only time we saw something like that generally with the president is during his inauguration. in recent weeks, many barriers ejected and light poles and fences removed to look like a relaxed setting while maintaining strict limits who could get close to the pope. >> that extends in many cases to invited guests. >> it does and this is quite the thing to see. think about it when he was inside some of these buildings and these are all people inv invie -- invited to be here and if you look closely, security, security, security all over the place and this woman reaching with her hand, in many cases you can see them gently taking those hands and pushing them back so maybe the pope looked very calm in the middle of all of this but i can guarantee you, anderson, there were dozens and dozens and