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Let's bring our panel back and talk more about the debate, including this awkward moment for hillary clinton. watch. >> in a similar time frame, races for ceo aup more than 200%. >> sorry. >> that was well played by mrs. clinton, but i wonder if it was appropriate for abc to show her empty podium. eric dug ins, jane hall and david zeric rejoin me. the clinton campaign did not cry foul about this but should abc have waited another minute? >> they might have. she had to comment on it in the first debate when this happened. i wanted to say something in response if i may about bernie sanders. i th...

It wasn't just 86 minutes, according to tindle. >> on all of the networks. >> on all the networks. and so there's a sense that trump draws eyeballs. so he's been featured in a way -- people have called this -- he's turned this into a reality show. it's because he gets eyeballs. he gets ratings, web clicks. >> look at the g.o.p. debate ratings. a great example, 18 million for cnn's debate, maybe 8 million for the debate last night. unfortunately, i have to leave it there. >> i'm not defending that. >> what are we supposed to be about? >> are we about eyeballs or what matters in electing a presi...