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Rubio, new. talks like an outsider. carson, trump, they dominate everything. >> you keep wondering when pragmatism will kick in. yesterday in the "journajourna journal, there was a tremendous piece under the headline let's elect hillary right now. he's a conservative and ocean he's saying we are driving ourselves in to a ditch. wouldn't we rather have someone in the white house with whom we can often fre nfrd of someone that we can revile. and yet there is a sentiment out there that says -- and i think it gets stirred by individuals who are on a.m. talk radio and have cable programs not on cnn...
It wasn't just 86 minutes, according to tindle. >> on all of the networks. >> on all the networks. and so there's a sense that trump draws eyeballs. so he's been featured in a way -- people have called this -- he's turned this into a reality show. it's because he gets eyeballs. he gets ratings, web clicks. >> look at the g.o.p. debate ratings. a great example, 18 million for cnn's debate, maybe 8 million for the debate last night. unfortunately, i have to leave it there. >> i'm not defending that. >> what are we supposed to be about? >> are we about eyeballs or what matters in electing a presi...