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Actual gravity of the charge as opposed to how much media oxygen it ends up sucking up and to the extent trump has to watch people talking about it on cable television. i mean, i can't imagine for a second that he's bothered by the underlying charge. if there's one thing donald trump believes in is that, you know, rich men are entitled to special consideration with the justice system. >> yeah, and david, donald trump himself has spoken positively about epstein, saying he knew him and he knew that he liked younger women. and donald trump publicly talked about that, thought that was perfectly ok...

>> right. i mean, my sense is whether or not he has to depart is going to have nothing to do with the actual gravity of the charge as opposed to how much media oxygen it ends up sucking up and to the extent trump has to watch people talking about it on cable television. i mean, i can't imagine for a second that he's bothered by the underlying charge. if there's one thing donald trump believes in is that, you know, rich men are entitled to special consideration with the justice system. >> yeah, and david, donald trump himself has spoken positively about epstein, saying he knew him and he knew t...

Whether there are specific issues, you talked about a counterintelligence investigation of the current investigation but every little bit of this is bad optically for the president if not legally, he doesn't either. if you are looking at 2020 and running again if they chipped away at him so much with the dribble of people close to him getting in trouble even if he never touched. how do you talked to voters about that? >> inherently it looks political. what mueller has is russian type stuff. a meeting with russians, potential business deal with russia. i agree with andy, collusion isn't really ...

Threats of new subpoenas and a second special counsel, that is how some congressional republicans are reacting to a "new york times" report that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein discussed wearing a wire to secretly record conversations with president trump and even discussed invoking the 25th amendment to oust him this led to senator lindsey graham to renew his calls for a special prosecutor to look into the russia probe. >> it's a bureaucratic coup against president trump being discovered here. before the election, the people in question tried to taint the election, tip it to clinton's ...

He was out speaking to a group when he got fired. there is no reasoning that if at the present, president wanted to fire rod rosenstein he could not have done it today. there is an effort to push it further out, maybe to exact some statement about his intention with the meuller investigation. there would've been no reason if you wanted to terminate him that he would've done that. >> julie: a lot of his allies have said hold off until making the decision until the kavanaugh hearing is over. it does not look like it will end overnight. and you have senator lindsey graham, basically voicing his c...