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victim of political persecution and that's exactly what the former president did during his rally in iowa yesterday. he told reporters these caucuses are your personal chance to score the ultimate victory over the liars, cheaters and thugs who say, quote, the washington swamp has done everything in its power to take away her voice but tomorrow is your time to turn on them and to say and speak your mind and vote. now we should note much of his rhetoric around his legal issues isn't necessarily based in fact but it is something that his team believes is working well with his supporters. and a great example of this is what we saw last week when donald trump took himself off the trail not once, but twice in order to appear in court for two of his second just make separate cases. and part of the strategy was it enabled him to suck that media oxygen out of the primary and keep it on himself.

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on trump. i'm howard kurtz and this is mediabuzz. the debate will be hosted by bret baier and martha maccallum. i spoke to the anchor of the story from new york. martha maccallum, welcome. >> hi, howie, good to be with you. howie: i haven't seen a build up like this for a first debate at the beginning of a campaign since that 2015 fox debate with political newcomer donald trump. i turned to the other channels i see fox debate. what are people saying? why do you think that is? >> i think there's a lot of enthusiasm. i think people are much more politically engaged and probably since that 2015 debate and i think that people see this as , you know, entertainment that is very eye opening in terms of what's going on in the political world, so i think it's a huge opportunity for these candidates on this stage and we see it

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this memo. i think that was a strategic mistake. it makes him look silly in many respects because he won't take on the elephant in the room. look if he's going to be the nominee he has to take on donald trump. this weird attempt to hug him and defend him when he doesn't even show up to the debate and to try and get down in the mud with a candidate most americans don't even know, although he's rising in the polls a little bit , i don't think ron desantis has a strategy. i don't think he has any clue what he's doing here politically , and rich is right. i can not think of one good cycle, media cycle, he has had since he announced. he just can't figure out if he should go against trump, sort of go against him, he doesn't know what he's doing here. howie: i will concede that desantis has had a lot of problems, but the media have really pounded this guy every single day. no matter what happens, he gets a negative story. it really, they have it in for

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compared him in that column a little bit to mayor pete and mayor pete shouldn't have run for president but he's a very talented guy in many ways very well-spoken and never got corner ed on anything and vivek is the same way. no ones attacked him, trump certainly hasn't attacked him. the other candidates ignored him but beginning to eat into the vote of other candidates especially desantis so that's why you had that debate pointer in there. howie: you know if he is having his moment and starts to get more media scrutiny people start to look at some of his positions like raising the voting age to 25 and not a big supporter of aid to ukraines but maria i'll say one thing for vivek ramaswamy. he's done a lot of media interviews, he didn't have much choice but that's how he has moved up in the polls. >> he has, and that's sort of where he's like mayor pete but i also think he's like the andrew yang of this years republican primary class. he comes from business, a very

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why would fani willis want to try 19 cases and deal with 19 lawyers and sets of objections? >> well, that's a great question. i'm not a legal expert. i will defer to her on how she wants to handle this prosecution but georgia is a great example politically, howie. the fact that donald trump is screwed up the republican operation in that state they lost two senate seats. he lost the state to joe biden, and that state that is in many ways quite conservative is now trending blue so i think, howie, there are a lot of republican voters when asked by a pollster foil loyalty of donald trump and say they will vote for him but privately when they get in that voting booth i think they vote for someone else. i think they vote for mike pence , let's not sleep on him. i think they vote for ron desantis and vote for tim scott. howie: we shall see. >> some of the polls are a little skewed potentially. howie: donald trump canceled a press conference he was going to have tomorrow. i want put the graphic up but he says he has evidence about the election in georgia but his lawyers say he should present it

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right? so he's not going to come out and state his opinion and his case in the georgia situation and then do you know just a few hours later no i'm not going to debate either so i'm kind of wondering what's going on, why he's turning down these opportunities to speak to the american people, on the one hand that has me curious as someone who covers this race. on the other hand, i think that this makes a huge opportunity for all of these other candidate s because if he's not there, they are going to have a lot of space to really make themselves heard, and some of them will start to chip away at his numbers. there's no doubt about it so i think that makes it even in some ways more interesting, actually, howie. howie: i think the spotlight will shine a little more brightly on them. unlike any campaign in our lifetimes, donald trump's four indictments are dominating his campaign more than the debates i would say. i look at the coverage and it's

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when you hear that and think oh, my gosh, however the tuhey's attorneys and even michael lewis said there wasn't that much money made and of the money -- howie: lewis blames hollywood. griff: and said hollywood executives got all the money. howie: but does oher have a right to feel deceived because he was under the impression he was adopted by this family which did do a lot for him and that can't be denied but actually technically it was a conservatorship. griff: absolutely he does. when you hear from the attorneys they say that oher tried to shake the family down, the attorney's words not him, for $15 million, in recent years howie: give me 15 million or a sue? griff: or else there's negative press. we don't know much more about that. that's a claim that the attorneys for the family have said, oher and his attorneys have not responded but it clearly looks like there's a bit of a history of why oher is

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across-the-board that people are just more interested in politics they are more interested in what's going on, so i think it's great. howie: people didn't talk about politics or talk about civilians now as much as they do now. you would think that donald trump having a massive lead in the primary as much as 40 points in national polls, that that would take some of the zing, some of the suspense out of it but that doesn't seem to be the case. >> you know why i think that is , howie? i've been looking a lot at the polling that we have just coming in over the course of this week and that lead, you know, shows up in a lot of polls, and it looks durable at least for now, but what you also see in these polls is that there's that kind of 37% that are solid trump supporters. then you've got 30 and change that say i'm persuadable. these are all republican voters in this poll. 37-plus, i'm persuadable, i'm open. 25% say they put themselves in the never-trump category, right? so that's about 63% who are open

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haven't. politicians are very good at launching into it and you saw it in that desantis memo. say these things, at least three to five times, right? he's not alone. they are all having these same kind of meetings. these are the points you want to be sure to hit over and over so yes, i think when you start to hear that drone, you want to jump in and say no, no, wait a minute this is the question we're talking about and we need answer so we're moderators in this environment, it's not a one on one interview situation which is different than this. it's for us to put that question out there and hopefully we get some debate going on that between the candidates because that's why they call it a debate howie: you've done this many times, but i have to ask given the global attention to this first debate. are you feeling some pressure? >> of course. you know, but that's the kind of pressure we thrive on, right? we like these big moments. we love covering them, and it forces you to really buckle down and do your homework. fortunately we have a great team , brett and i have worked together a lot over the years,

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