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Cannot plea ignorance here. he can t say that i believe this entire time that i won this election and that when he was calling brad raffensperger in georgia telling him to find votes, you have now a very established timeline of evidence of people, of credible people, security in these cases, telling the president that these were free and fair and secure elections. and there s even more than that. my colleague and reported that audiotape that you might recall, steve bannon before the election, saying that donald trump at the election, or after, he is going to declare victory whether he wins or doesn t winds. and then you have rudy giuliani who we discussed on the show already, on election night, for maybe a little tipsy as some people have testified, telling trump to declare that he won. even before votes could be fully counted. so i think i m not the lawyer here, barbara is, but when we talk ....
Inference that he lost this election. that point, david, donald trump can plead ignorance there. you can say i believe this entire time that i won this election and when he was calling brad raffensperger in georgia telling him to find votes you have now a very established timeline of evidence of people, of credible people, security heads in these cases, telling the president that these were free and fair and secure elections. and there s even more than that. my colleague at mother jones, dan freeman, reported that audiotape that you might recall, steve bannon before the election, saying that donald trump at the election, or after, is going to declare victory whether he wins or doesn t win. and then you have rudy giuliani who we discussed on the show already, on election night, maybe being a little tipsy, awesome people have testified, telling trump to declare that he won. even before votes could be fully counted. so i think i m not the lawyer here, barbara is, but ....
Was it was to call him a prosecution witness? the man had eight felony convictions under his belt. and he was serving ten years from beating up cops. and yet, here he was, central witness against holly. he s an alcoholic. he s a drug addict. and he wants something from you guys. so he ll say whatever you asked to say, right? the thing about this witness, about jameson kennedy is that he didn t want anything in exchange for what he was going to come into court and say. he knew that he was going to be in prison for quite awhile and that nothing he could say in court could ever change that. and, kennedy s story, if the jury chose to believe it, was a potential game-changer. it was september 26, 2008, two years after matt died. kennedy was on probation, he told the jury when holly stopped by the law office where a kindly defense attorney had given him a job and a place to sleep. they shared a bottle of wine. ate some takeout. we both were kind of a little bit, you know, tipsy. afte ....