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Issue, such a symbolic issue that it's functionally stopped any real serious kind of big picture immigration reform from going anywhere in congress. >> all right, garrett haake, thank you for that reporting. i want to go ahead and bring in former homeland security secretary janet napolitano, secretary, thank you for being here. >> you're welcome, how are you? >> i'm very well, thank you. what is your level of concern about what you're seeing at the border, what's coming after title 42 is lifted, and also to what garrett just said, at this point it has become almost such a hot button issue that...

From your country of origin. and so by doing that, they hope to be able to process these migrants as swiftly as possible certainly within 72 hours. >> but we're still seeing secretary, for example, people camped out in juarez and el paso, expedient, even though expedited removals is the name of the game, even though many of these people are seeking asylum from incredibly dangerous situations, what's happening right now isn't tenable either. >> right. like i said it is a logistical are problem. it is a humanitarian problem, and it's a legal problem, and i think we can anticipate and i think dhs...

Aren't familiar. i mean, you have the i-10, and then you have on one side, el paso, texas. on the other side, you have mexico, and you were in juarez where thousands of people were camped out. what did it tell you about what you and your community need to expect? >> well, they kept talking about 35,000, so i wanted to go over there and talk to the officials in mexico and find out what the number is, and what's going on. there is about 8 to 10,000 people currently on the streets in juarez, and there's about another 3,500 that are coming that will be here prior to title 42 expiring. the biggest ...

Money, the work through to help people go to the next destination, and continue to work with them. we cannot continue at this pace. it's really a pace that couldn't go on forever. there needs to be an end game, and that's something that i always continue to talk about. how do we continue to change the narrative, and how do we -- you know, we work together. even though title 42 is expiring, we're still going to have title 8. title 8 just is really has more consequences than title 42. if you're expelled originally in title 42. you can continue to come back, and those are some of the numbers we'l...

Border. there's about 10,000 people at the border ready to come in once title 42 expires. so i tell people that we are actually preparing for the unknown. and we're prepared. but we don't know what's going to happen the following day. >> all right. mayor oscar leeser, thank you for joining us in a certainly busy time in your city, and please come back and let us know how things are going. we appreciate it. >> thank you, and i want to thank you for giving us the opportunity for our priorities, that our community and asylum seekers continue to be safe. >> thank you, mayor. more questions and c...