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Rules we have always had a peaceful transition of power in this country. every kid remembers growing up seeing the inauguration day where you will have the previous and current president together with their families. this is going to happen again. and i think one of the reasons it's going to happen is it's going to be such an overwhelming vote across the country that he isn't going to be able to play games like that. as i listen to eugene, i just kept thinking, win big, win big. winning big and having americans learn all the rules in their states and they have to do this on voting early and ho...

Left with is that despite the explosive testimonies, the profound importance of that testimony, the consequences will virtually be nonexistent. and unless and until to eugene's point there is a movement by the public towards something more severe, rudy giuliani will continue to do what rudy giuliani's doing. donald trump will continue to do what he is doing, and the rest of us are going to be left scratching our head going what happened? >> if will herd was one of hopes for democrats, a vote they could swing to their side on the impeachment vote and he's come out already, he used his question ...

President, you know, at this point if you're thinking about who the president has to be worried about, who are you nervous about, you're worried about rudy. because the truth is, that if rudy flipped on the president on this front, on the question of what happened in ukraine, if rudy were under pressure and flipped on the president, the president would be really hosed. i asked the question about to eugene's point, i think they're under a lot of pressure to provide information about everything they did on behalf of rudy giuliani which was on behalf of donald trump and i think the way in which t...

Spaces with predominantly black americans, speaking to the issues that matter most to them and he believes that translates into support. he made no decisions, obviously he's doing well in polls compared to others, he said if he was the nominee, he would prefer a vice presidential candidate who was either a woman or a person of color or both. so he spoke about the importance of having the top ticket for the democratic 2020 election reflect the diversity of america. that was very important to him. but he said more than that they need to be on the same page philosophically, politically in terms o...

>> interesting. matt, you were talking about some of the polling and the data you saw around some of these questions in these special elections and obviously we learned a lot from 2018. i mean, from your perspective, to eugene's point, does that group of people exist? is there a group of voters who had economic anxiety who are perhaps turned off by this president's rhetoric, or are they all part of trump's base? >> i think democrats need to decide what avenue they want to focus on. it might depend on who the nominee is to get to 270 electoral votes. do they want it to replicate the obama coali...