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love a chance to frame it for you. >> i'm kevin lip ttac at the white house. and this is cnn victim donald trump i'm found guilty and could face prison time. a stunning precedent for a man on the ballot. >> again, this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. >> he's taking an aggressive stance but how is the verdict affecting his campaign and his future republican national committee co-chair lara trump joins me exclusively. next. >> turning point president biden in response to the trump verdict with caution, that's how the american system of justice works. >> and pivots...

>> well, first of all, i think he's right. i think people would be i mean, republicans would go crazy. they're already going crazy, but this would be a level of intensity that i i'm not sure we can exactly describe today, but i honestly think they ought to do it. i mean, look, the core of this case was that it was a campaign finance violation. so agree. just that it might have changed the outcome of a presidential election. so if you actually believe that don't want to, they just lock him up. why don't you just want me just play it out in its logical conclusion, alaska is looking at me this on...

Different parts of the globe, subject matter experts who can help the national security adviser process that information. so iths a big step and big question for whoever is the national security adviser. will that person have control over their own staff and will they get that statement from the president? we expect that's part of the conversations happening with the interviews that are happening this weekend. alex? >> can you please get right to us as soon as you finish on your reporting there? i want toe no what you know, kelly o'donnell. thank you so much. >> thank you. hearing from the h...

See a big democratic political panic over this that could mean big change in the law. martha: we will see what happens. rich, thank you very much. good to see you. >> thanks, martha. bill: holiday shopping season kicked off with a bit of a frenzy. according to retailers black friday was a bit of a bust. despite more shoppers than ever going to the stores. according to the national retail federation, 141 americans headed out for this. is that right? 141 million? that's half the country. martha: unbelievable. bill: there are only 330 million of us here. millions also took to online shopping this...