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About ow democracur democracy. it seemed everyone was there for the right reasons and they wanted a good outcome for the country. tomorrow i think everyone tlaes f else is there for their own outcome. >> tom, much of this will be on section 2 of the special counsel's report where he outlines ten instances of possible obstruction of justice. this ranges from everything from the president's chons to the russia inquiry and to his actions against flynn, manafort, and several other witnesses. the big picture here, how would you approach just the sheer number of incidents listed here? would you dril...

With less than 24 hours to go until mueller's testimony, let's break it down with phil rucker, white house bureau chief for the "washington post." betsy woodruff, tom due bree, former deputy assistant attorney, and sara, and clint watts right here with me, and nbc news correspondent ken dilanian who covers national security for us here. ken, let's start with you. let's talk about the expectations. because i want to go to something that you reported earlier. you said that some senior democrats acknowledge that wednesday's hearings are unlikely to significantly change public opinion about trump ...

Plan. but as happens so often in this white house, the plan is really dictated by the president's gut and by what he wants to put out on twitter and what he wants to tell reporters. so i would pay attention to him as opposed to any sort of step-by-step crisis management plan that comes together. >> well, phil, it's interesting that you talk about those talking points and his gut, because there's also the reality of this letter. tom, i want to turn to you because the hus judiciary committee chairman asked about the impact of that doj letter on mueller's testimony. listen to this. >> i think it'...