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Record, and to your point, the record may not matter for the job at hand, but if you want to look at the record, there is a lot to celebrate here. >> and one thing that you did not mention which is very near and dear to the progressive's hearts and he was president obama's first head of the justice department, and revive and rejuvenated after eight pours of george h.w. bush. jayne, i want to bring you back in here to respond to my question to catherine about the fact that under this administration, the trump administration, both tpp is a nonissue, and the dakota access pipeline is going to go ...

Said which is that there is a lot of bridge building that has to be done. and so, i'm not getting the sense that you think that that is going to be an easy jobb if the next chair of the party is tom perez. >> okay. sorry are, a little bit of the technical difficulty here, but it is not going to be easy for tom perez to win the people back? >> yes, obviously, given the experience in 2016, there is a lot of distrust of the people out there in the world, and sort of the internal, you know, dnc organization. it is going to be taking some time, and a real effort on his part, and this is not tokenis...

Does not know anything about the state funding seems ludicrous at this point in the conversation. andl second of all, we are talking about the party the leadership, and not just all of the people, but the people like bernie sanders standing in the treat and donald trump, and the most loyal base that there are and that is black women and they did not vote for bernie sanders in the majority at lao least. so how is keith ellison despite being black going to reach out to the most loyal constituency, and that is key. and you know, folks in milwaukee who got blocked by voter registration laws buck t...

Ellison over tom perez is that tom perez supper ports the ttp, and the dakota pipeline. you write about the economy, and those thing, and aren't those two issues dead. so with that the case with president trump in office, and if that is the case, why should any democrat hold it over their head? >> well, iing a grew -- i argue that protections were expanded for his oversight for undox yumed workers and people eligible for overtime, and he held under the leadership, the labor department held a lot more employers accountable when they were committing wage theft, and cheating the low-wage workers....

Movement politics so he has to find the way, and people want the authentic messenger of the progressive image and he has to off that if he wants the support. >> that is the view from the floor here in atlanta, and back to new york. >> thank you, alex. i heard some cheer iing while y were speaking, and do you a sense of what was happening that had people cheering -- keith, keith, keith. but it looked like as you were talking about going into the second round of balloting, and judging by what jeff weaver had to say, the fomer campaign mana manager for brny sanders that if tom perez is the one wh...