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Interference campaign. it wasn't. >> let me put a fine point on this. which country attacked the united states election system in 2016? >> russia. >> is there any evidence that you saw that there was a top-down effort by ukraine to attack the 2016 election. >> no. >> what do you make of republicans, including the chair of the senate intelligence committee, richard burr, suggesting, and this was to nbc last night, i don't think there's any question that elected officials in ukraine had a favorite in the election. why would they say that? >> because some elected officials in ukraine, as i mentio...

Who said they weren't crazy about this guy because he essentially countenanced the dismemberment of their country by russia. but that's a lot different than the campaign that the russians undertook. >> no top-down effort. no systematic effort by the ukrainian government to attack the united states election. such a big difference there, senator. thank you for helping us understand what that difference is. you also have an op-ed in "usa today" which quotes a sherlock holmes story about the dog that didn't bark. explain to me what you mean by that. >> i love -- that's one of my favorite sherlock ...

Want to support the president will go along with that approach. >> so one of the things that you're arguing here or that republicans are arguing is that ukraine is a problem and the president was right to look into corruption in ukraine. he was right to ask about the 2016 election because ukraine meddled. our intelligence community did not find that ukraine meddled. our intelligence community found that russia was the one that attacked our elections. republicans keep pointing out a politico article talking about ukraine talking to alexandria chalupa, negating to go into that article, which say...

Anything against donald trump by the ukrainians to medal in the election. that, you know, what russia was doing was a top down effort mandated by putin to interfere in the u.s. elections and nothing ukraine did amounted to anywhere close to that. >> i'm glad you have brought her up because i just want to play some of the sound of the testimony she gave. let's listen. >> some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason ukraine did. this is a fictional narrative that is be...

Meddle in the u.s. election and if, indeed, democrats were somehow helping that happen, that would be a terrible thing, and we should be doing just like we've been saying about the russia scenario, everything in our power as a country to prevent foreign meddling in our elections going forward. what is -- in that sense, it's a similar situation, of looking at a foreign country trying to have influence in our election perhaps. as you noted, it doesn't seem to be in the reporting from politico or since, a top-down effort of ukrainian government actually seeking that the way the u.s. intelligence ...