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Mark bitman reviewed the book. he said individual decisions have power and despair is an awful option but individual decisions are limited without forward-thinking leadership the needed change won't happen. just want you to respond to that and get a sense how worried you are we to the floor much leadership on the issue right now. >> he's absolutely right. individual change is not going to be sufficient. the problem is we're not going to have the leadership that we need without sufficient -- sufficient change of individuals. these two things reinforce each other. it is a mistake to think we can...

To repeat just over and over again a talking point that he had practiced with his staff. >> at the top, i don't -- >> not over the top. it was low rent. it was kind of like rookie. >> i don't think. >> i got to tell you. calling this president the minimum wage president, he'll take it if he can raise it. it's actually a good idea. please. >> he is running for office. >> the thing is it is so -- it is so hard for you to believe and so hard for many people in the media to believe that there is some of us that agree with bobby jindal. that you have all of these top-down solutions, washington dict...