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Migrant children in government custody. joining us now are maria echevaste, former deputy chief of staff to president clinton and lecturer at the university of california berkeley school of law. also with us, nbc news correspondent julia ainsley, who covers the department of justice and the department of homeland security. great to have both of you with us. julia, let me begin with you more and talk a little bit more if i may about what we learned stephen miller's role in this new attempt to exploit the refugee program to deport unaccompanied migrants and invest adults that may be claiming the...

Really just sitting empty right now. the law even requires children to be placed in the least restrictive situation possible. how is the trump administration getting around this? >> you know, we have no idea. i think this is one of the examples of how this administration is breaking the black-letter law. the trafficking victim protection reauthorization act clearly requires that children be placed in the least restrictive environment possible in the child's best interest, and there's no question that the facilities that i've seen, 1,500 kids being kept in a walmart in texas, another 2,000, ove...

Of congress from el paso, texas. when beto o'rourke gave up his seat in the house to run for senate against ted cruz, a race he came close to winning which launched his presidential bid, it was veronica escobar who ended up running as the democratic nominee to succeed beto o'rourke for that seat. it was a democratic primary for beto o'rourke's seat and veronica escobar won it running away with 61% of the vote. on election night in 2018, she became the first woman to ever represent that district in el paso. district is majority hispanic. it's right on the border. in el paso. when she was campai...

You might remember a national -- a moment of national attention during that campaign. then-candidate veronica escobar helped lead the protests in tornillo, texas, where the trump administration had started holding kids in tent cities. kids that they had taken away from their parents. in the trump administration's ze zero-tolerance policy. now, that zero-tolerance policy of taking kids away from their families, taking kids away from their moms and dads, that supposedly was ended by the trump administration, but as we all now know, even though they named -- they ended that policy in name, they k...

Back to those tent cities that we saw last fall, like in tornillo, because those, of course, were the site of protests, and they don't want to get back into those non-traditional structures. but from people i've spoken to today, the responses to this story, it seems like those are options that may have been to be explored down the road. >> julia, thank you, as always, for your continued reporting on this. julia ainsley for us. >> a judge will soon decide whether the last abortion clinic will stay open. we'll look at a new documentary that explores what women are doing instead as access inside ...