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That he holds dear because it would be better for the causes he holds dear. let's unpack that a little bit. >> well, you get that little sense of embarrassment that he's not only not advancing those causes but he's actually toxifying them, he's actually hurting the cause. and i really got that sense you know, we've talked before about the cult of personality around donald trump, the fact his base doesn't move. but you get that sense of that creeping disillusionment, disenchantment. they're clearly paying attention and even though some of the numbers might not move as dramatically as you might ...

Not only not advancing those causes but he's actually toxifying them, he's actually hurting the cause. and i really got that sense you know, we've talked before about the cult of personality around donald trump, the fact his base doesn't move. but you get that sense of that creeping disillusionment, disenchantment. they're clearly paying attention and even though some of the numbers might not move as dramatically as you might expect, there's still some cracks underneath that because again, people are paying very, very close attention. i was also struck by their disillusionment wasn't so much a...

Long. there's a lot more of that. joining me is former maryland congresswoman donna edwards and radio talk show host charlie sykes, now an msnbc contributor. charlie, that thing the gentleman said that he is -- he wishes that donald trump were on the opposite side of the causes that he holds dear because it would be better for the causes he holds dear. let's unpack that a little bit. >> well, you get that little sense of embarrassment that he's not only not advancing those causes but he's actually toxifying them, he's actually hurting the cause. and i really got that sense you know, we've talk...