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Had a different -- he sort of spoke differently about race. then in the beginning of his presidency i think he was a little more hesitant to do so even though he gave the race speech. now do you feel he's more open about it? has he changed? is it a more nuanced way and more honest about race? >> you know, i think he's always struggled with this reality, that he is biracial. he was raised by three white people. his mother's family is actually scots-irish. and yet of course he's black in that he looks back, he's treated as black. so he's always had this struggle, which is he had to be black enou...

What happened with reverend wright and when president obama had to give a race speech. was is the difference in donald trump having to give a race speech of sorts coming out to denounce the kind of people who have supported him and who he has energized, whether he wants to believe it or his campaign wants you to know it or not, they won't say it publicly but they must know that, they're not stupid. is there a double standard here? should he have to do that? >> it's an interesting parallel. i'm sure trump supporters would reject it but there's some persuasive power to that idea that they are si...

The platform for the alt-right. how is that okay? >> tell me some of the racist things that breitbart -- >> i will leave it up to you to go to breitbart and read the articles, yo time in this format but we have given example after example on this show and also on the other thing -- >> hang on -- >> let me finish. you made a point which i think is a good point about spending 15 or 20 minutes on this. the same argument was made about president obama and the left said the same thing, why is it a big deal about -- why does the president have to give a race speech, why does she to denounce his past...

Things they do and be admittedly the platform for the alt-right. how is that okay? >> tell me some of the racist things that breitbart -- >> i will leave it up to you to go to breitbart and read the articles, i don't have time in this format but we have given example after example on this show and also on the other thing -- >> hang on -- >> let me finish. you made a point which i think is a good point about spending 15 or 20 minutes on this. the same argument was made about president obama and the left said the same thing, why is it a big deal about -- why does the president have to give a rac...

>> for many people of color, david gergen, this is similar to what happened with reverend right and when president obama had to give a race speech. was is the difference in donald trump having to give a race speech of sorts coming out to denounce the kind of people who have supported him and who he has energized, whether he wants to believe it or his campaign wants you to know it or not, they won't say it publicly but they must know that, they're not stupid. is there a double standard here? should he have to do that? >> it's an interesting parallel. i'm sure trump supporters would reject it bu...