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College-educated white liberals. and that is a role that has been filled by a long line of candidates going back to gene mccarthy in '68, to gary hart in '94, howard dean in 2004. none of them have won the nomination. all of them have kind of fallen short because they were unable to reach out beyond that starbucks ghetto if you want to call it that. and appeal to some of the other constituencies in the democratic party, in particular to african-american voters. and that is still a big challenge for her. biden is best among older and moderate whites and african-americans, at the moment. that ha...

Which is the better indicator? >> look, i think that there are some differences in their support, but you're right that essentially, what we're -- for warren, what we are seeing is that she is a candidate right now who is strongest with college-educated white liberals. and that is a role that has been filled by a long line of candidates going back to gene mccarthy in '68, to gary hart in '94, howard dean in 2004. none of them have won the nomination. all of them have kind of fallen short because they were unable to reach out beyond that starbucks ghetto if you want to call it that. and appeal ...

But not yet panic. the concern is bernie sanders is clearly expanning his base. when he started he was very much what i could call a wine track candidate. almost entirely on support from white upper middle class liberals. if you look at new polling in new hampshire he is now competitive and even ahead among blue collar whites as well. in addition hillary clinton is facing a significant gender gap in the wrong direction in the democratic party. looking at big deficits among men in iowa and new hampshire. those are both reasons for concern carol. the reason it isn't at the point of panic is beca...