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Right? it's kind of rerkable where we are in the process, legislation is messy. we all know. th the democratic party has to make sure everybody is happy from bernie stand there's, to joe manchin's in order to pass legislation. but for months the focus has been about helen president it is for the democrats have been united. they were on this two track process and everyone had agreed, and then the wl started to fall off, and i think that the white house, a lot of the people in the white house were surprised by how quickly have. been saying that it had to have a system tragic pause, and now nancp...

But now she says because of the negotiations over the larger plan are ongoing, she is facing pushback from the left. i am told from multiple sources that chuck schumer himself told democratic senators at a lunch just moments ago that he was not consulted by this decision and he faced pushback from democratic senators who are concerned about going this route, and i also asked schumer at his press conference whether he agreed with the speaker, and he did not say that explicitly. >> you stood with speaker pelosi on the initial strategy to wait until the infrastructure, the reconciliation bill is ...

I am ping-ponging between issues now. the stuff the administrations may be doing. i want to go back to the thing they are not voting on yet, that is the larger reconciliation bill. the human infrastructure. i don't know what we call this anymore. the big bill, three and a half trillion dollar bill. there are a whole lot of people in the house saying, we are not moving on this, we are not signing off on the smaller infrastructure bill, the one for roads and bridges until we see what is happening with this other one. where do you think things stands right now with the second bill? >> the preside...

Republicans who have voted for it so far, you know, none of them want the $3.5 trillion extravaganza for infrastructure that's not really infrastructures. how are you so sure that one, the little infrastructures bill is going to lead to the great big one? >> well, i think that nancy pelosi has made it as clear as anyone foo she is not going to take up the small one if you want to call 1.2 trillion a small one. until she gets the $3.5 trillion debt bomb in her hands. president biden revealed the strategy within to two hours. of course he is not going to sign it until the $3.5 trillion package i...

But this dual track process is very important and chuck schumer is going to be paying attention to where kyrsten sinema ends up on the final details of the size as well as scope of this reconciliation package. >> ana palmer of punch bowl news, thank you so much. earlier in the show we asked the question, why are you awake? kevin writes i'm up way too early because little sofia wanted to party all night long again. she's sleeping peacefully there. jewels tweeted this, up way too early with severe thunderstorms in chicago, the dog is afraid of the thunder. i will note my 6-year-old is as well....