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>> that's the distinction you're making? >> right. >> if they're dumping guns into an area in a volume that no one thinks what the local population -- >> i see. >> yeah, that's the issue. i'm wanting to talk to you about trade. you have been a critic of the kind of trade consensus in this country for a long time. >> yes. >> and there's a number of other people, sherrod brown is one of those folks, he wrote a book about trade. i think it's fair to say that donald trump has departed from some of that consensus. pulled out of the tpp, renegotiating nafta. we've seen these tariffs -- >> although h...

Through a straw man process that those guns are going out into the community, into criminals, should they be held liable if we can prove it? absolutely. >> didn't you sign legislation in the other direction? >> i am a sponsor and co-sponsor of a bill that deals with that issue. the issue is not should a gun manufacturer be held liable because you make a gun that does what it's supposed to do. no. >> that's the distinction you're making? >> right. >> if they're dumping guns into an area in a volume that no one thinks what the local population -- >> i see. >> yeah, that's the issue. i'm wanting ...

>> does that same logic of where the fault lies in the liability apply to gun manufacturers? >> it does. if we know that a gun manufacturer, for example, is loading a whole lot of weapons into a town far more than you would expect, and we know through a straw man process that those guns are going out into the community, into criminals, should they be held liable if we can prove it? absolutely. >> didn't you sign legislation in the other direction? >> i am a sponsor and co-sponsor of a bill that deals with that issue. the issue is not should a gun manufacturer be held liable because you make a ...

On barack obama, you get them on barack obama and they have, they struggle with it. they will probably vote for him, but there is a real struggle because brown in ohio running for re-election has battled free trade day and night and saying and teaching the people of ohio, teaching them that a free trade, no, let me just finish this thought. teaching them that if they do, if free trade goes forward, they'll lose their jobs and then they have a president standing up announcing he is doing a new free trade act. >> behind closed doors deals is what's happening. they cannot get the information. so,...