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His gun carrying card was taken from him in illinois, yet, he managed to get the guns across state lines. >> the law is weak. if you look at these events, here's another one, and this is my personal assessment of over 40 years as a federal agent. the tragedy triangle. there is a mental health issue. there's some troubled person. firearms. contact with the police. the triangle is completed at the white house. we have a troubled person. he's got the ar-15 and other weapons. he has contact with uniform division of the secret service. the triangle is complete. the police can't do anything because ...

>> it's not going to stop unless we as voters, you want to change it for many reasons, not only gun safety laws but mental health, restraining orders, maybe mass violence prevention restraining orders as a suggest. i call it the tragedy triangle. my own view of it, after dealing with all my life. there's some kind of a mental episode that concerns someone. then there's firearms. and then there's some kind of a threat or interaction with the police. i call it the tragedy triangle. we see that. this guy's walking around like he's got a suction cup with a revolving warning light on his head. he's...

I call it tragedy triangle. there's some mental health issues and some contact with the police and then the gun enters the picture. some mental health issues some contact with the police and gun enters the picture there's tragedy in the middle so how do you interrupt that. for example, if that was a state with a state law like a gun violence restraining order when he went into the fbi the police could have been called and said this guy is talking like this, we might need to see if he has guns at home. he's a danger to himself or others. we might need to secure those until we can sort this out ...

Order. but it had help this guy and all the people murdered today. i call it tragedy triangle. there's some mental health issues and some contact with the police and then the gun enters the picture. some mental health issues some contact with the police and gun enters the picture there's tragedy in the middle so how do you interrupt that. for example, if that was a state with a state law like a gun violence restraining order when he went into the fbi the police could have been called and said this guy is talking like this, we might need to see if he has guns at home. he's a danger to himself o...

And killing people. so what we're failing to do in america is to form the right structure within our police and mental health professionals to form the right little structure to read the warning signs and take the action to stop these guys. it's like the same lesson over again, but collectively, the citizens, we have to support the police and mental health authorities to do this. the state government in washington needs to help us set it up. we could do it. >> when you talk about this tragedy triangle, what leg of the tragedy triangle here are you focusing on? >> well, if you look at the three...