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Younger than that. because this concert was letting out when this ploegs took place, a lot of people got separated. and there were reports initially, police and venue organizers were telling parents that if they got separated from their children to meet up at a local hotel, at a local holiday inn. there's one witness account saying among the debris, among the shrapnel, he saw nuts and bolts, and that would be very typical of something that a suicide bomber would stuff into a device in order to create more shrapnel. still, the death toll is one bomb, u.s. officials saying they believe it was a ...

Explosives. he's going to learn on you right away. that backpack's going to heavy because it's loaded with nails or nuts and bolts, ball bearings, it's very heavy. and i would venture to say lot of these casualties and fatalities are going to be in proximity to the bomber. there's going to be a lot of vicious wounds and fatality wounds right there. a nail bomb shrapnel bomb san anti-personnel bomb designed to kill people in proximity. >> jim, i'm going to ask dow hold on for just one second. we have an eyewitness on the phone who i want to bring into the conversation live. joining us now by ph...

Which means that everything came into play, bringing together a terrorist correctly, it could have been a one-man correctly, or a five-man correctly. we don't know. putting a bomb into an actual working device. based on the number of victors even if it's a crowd in a dense area like that, if the bomb is weak, you're going to have a lot of injuries. you're not going to have a lot of deaths. you usually have one or two deaths. if the bomb is very strong and professionally done, that's where you get casualties like this where you have a lot of immediate victims around the have had bomber. >> malc...

Because she couldn't move like everyone else out of the arena. so i recon a lot of the injuries came a lot from that. also in a state where you heard the word bomb and explosive, you can try to calm people down, but people will sprint and trample, human instincts to get out. >> in terms of the response from police emergency services, you said that there was a big presence in the streets instantly as soon as you got out of the venue. do you feel like they handled the situation in an orderly and appropriate way? do you feel the police response was appropriate? talk about to

We haven't got a lot further to go in terms of prepared. there will be a review going on now that whether the threat level needs to go up. >> vikram dodd, the crime and terrorism reporter at the guardian newspaper. thank you for helping was this tonight. i really appreciate your time. >> no problem. good luck. >> here with me on seat is a "new york times" correspondent who works on al qaeda as her beat. what vikram was just saying about the id of this possible suspect. if they believe the suicide bomber, if they believe they've got his body, if they believe they've got an id, how do you -- how...