Sanction. is that a sign of something really on the wrong track of our democracy? >> let me just remind you and the viewers that we had all of our intelligence agencies found that there was a very strong evidence that russia had interfered with our election. >> yes. >> and so i think what's really dangerous is that the investigation to get to the bottom of that, to figure out what happened, how it happened, and how to stop it from happening again, that that investigation is being impeded. and i think that's where our worries should be. >> all right, caroline frederickson, thank you for joining...